Friday, April 9, 2010

Stopover at Airport

We have a planned trip which includes a 5 hour stopover at Philadelphia airport. Is there anything we can do (couple and two children 9 and 13) during this time rather than hang around the airport all afternoon? Obviously we will be relying on public transport. Never having been to Philadelphia before I don%26#39;t know how near/far anything is.



Stopover at Airport


5 hours isn%26#39;t really enough time to go anywhere. You would need to clear customs and then return to the airport at least 2 hours in advance of your next flight due to security. There is a mini-mall and TGI Friday%26#39;s restaurant near terminal B.



Stopover at Airport


Thanks for that - a long shot I know, but thought it worth a try. I%26#39;ll buy a good book to read instead...




There%26#39;s a play area in Terminal D, but your kids are probably a bit old for that.







There%26#39;s a shopping area as well: http://www.philamarketplace.com/





Also a decent amount of art: http://www.phl.org/art_current.html







I%26#39;ll assume you are arriving internationaly, which means you will most likely be landing at Terminal A West. There%26#39;s a map on the PHL web site, www.phl.org




Center CIty (that%26#39;s downtown Philadelphia) is a 15 minute cab ride from the airport. If your plane arrives on time and you really wanted to see a bit of Philly you could cab it to Old City and stroll around for a couple of hours. Be advised that at times traffic can be very heavy. On what day of the week and at what time would you be doing this?



Lynn

Reminder: Center City Restaurant Week is Coming

From Sept 23-28, a large number of CC restaurants will be offering fixed price meals at $30 per person (bev, tax, gratuity not included). Each meal must be at least 3 courses (I have had up to 6!). I%26#39;ll be at the melting pot, guaranteed for at least one meal.





It%26#39;s a great time to check out a new restaurant, or splurge if you are on a budget!





For details: www.centercityphila.org/restaurantweek/





One caveat, this is a FIXED menu, there are generally no substitutions.





As an example, this is from Upstairs at Varalli%26#39;s, a place I have enjoyed often:





First Course



(choice of one)





House Salad



Boston bibb, frisee, radicchio, baby greens and assorted julienne vegetables with a shallot and herb vinaigrette





Stuffed Mushrooms



With hot Italian sausage, boursin cheese and a sweet and sour fig sauce





Soup of the Day



Minestra del Giorno





Rock Shrimp and Bay Scallop Cerviche



With extra virgin olive oil, lime juice and cilantro





Second Course



(choice of one)





Veal Marsala



Grilled medallions of veal finished with sauce of wild mushrooms, Marsala and demi-glace, garnished appropriately





Tarragon Chicken



Served with a wild rice pilaf and natural jus





Linguini Primavera



Pasta tossed with assorted vegetables in a parmesan cream sauce





Fish of the Day



Chef鈥檚 selection





Lobster Ravioli



Saffron pasta filled with lobster and mascarpone cheese, served in a mushroom, tomato, herbed cream sauce





Third Course



(Choice of one)





Tiramisu



A delicate blend of mascarpone cheese, whipped cream and espresso soaked cake dusted with cocoa





Bread Pudding



With chocolate, cranberries and hazelnuts served warm with a bourbon cream





No Substitutions.



Reminder: Center City Restaurant Week is Coming


This year we are only doing the RC ~ we never have much luck with Restaurant Week. We always end up ordering off of the regular menu.



Reminder: Center City Restaurant Week is Coming


We%26#39;re thinking of hitting the melting pot (which we always love) and Try Tir Na Og (which we%26#39;ve never been to)




I have reservations for the Ritz Carlton (The Grill) that Friday night of Restaurant Week. I had lunch there in the spring with a friend and it was excellent. It think the Grill may be one of those underrated fine dining establishments in Philly. We actually had a very good experience last year during Restaurant Week at Alma de Cuba.





Suzanne




Suzanne~ That%26#39;s exactly why we are doing the RC too!





Loonbeam ~ IMHO, I would save TNN for a regular night. It is more of a after work bar and has a reasonably priced menu to begin with ( food is pretty decent though).




I agree with heather on Tir Na Nog. A good deal of restaurant choices on the list don%26#39;t have large savings compared to the regular priced menu. I try and check the prices online for a decent saving.



I%26#39;ve heard that some restaurants try and rush you during restaurant week, either from the crowd, or for not getting enough money out of you. Has anyone had that experience?



I went to the city tavern last year for restaurant week. Had the BEST crab chowder I%26#39;ve had, the rest of the meal was mediocre, and since I%26#39;m a local, wasn%26#39;t really excited about the 18th century theme.




I went to Valanni for restaurant week last year, which was a great choice - I love their food, and yet I never seem to make it over there. I didn%26#39;t feel rushed, though Valanni was such a popular choice that we had to go on a weeknight.





I agree that Tir Na Nog would not give you a good value for the prix fixe.




EDG ~ We have the same Restaurant Week concept!





We have never been rushed out of a meal, although my Husband almost always ends up ordering off of the real menu.




I agree as well - I%26#39;d skip Tir a Nog and go to one of these places, if you can get a reservation, I think they would offer a better bang for your buck:





The Grill at the Ritz Carlton



Brasserie Perrier



Alma de Cuba



Amada



Bliss



Davio%26#39;s



La Famiglia



Le Bar Lynnonais



Nineteen



Susanna Foo



Tangerine



Estia





Those would be my choices!





Suzanne




Suzanne ~ Have you ever done The Prime Rib for RW?




Hi Heather --





No, I have never been there, either for RW or regularly. Actually have not heard that much about it. I am not a big beef fan or a steakhouse lover and although my husband loves a good steak, out of all the steakhouses, he favors Capital Grille the most. I don%26#39;t know if he has been to The Prime Rib for dinner (via business), although I am guessing I would recall if he had mentioned it.





Suzanne

spruce lane lodge and cottages

we have been going to lancaster about 10-15 times per year but have never tried the spruce lane lodge. Can anyone tell me about this property. We will going Friday sept 28th for one night. Thanks to all



spruce lane lodge and cottages


I am not real familiar with the property but think that it would be okay to stay there. (It can%26#39;t be any worse than the Days Inn on Keller Avenue!) They have 20 cottage rooms and 12 lodge rooms (the lodge rooms are located in a converted barn). There are several reviews of the property at 鈥ahoo.com/p-hotel-14824472-spruce_lane_lodg鈥?/a> . Hope this helps.



spruce lane lodge and cottages


thanks for the help

Bengals/Steelers in Dec.

We are a group of six coming to Pit. in Dec. for the game. Half Steeler fans, half Bengal fans. We are looking for a hotel close to the stadium but also within walking distance to the night life. We will only be there Sun night.



Any suggestions?



Bengals/Steelers in Dec.


Welcome! Try the Spring Hill Suites North Shore which is easy walking distance to the stadium and surrounded by bars. If you stay in a downtown hotel such as the Renaissance or Courtyard by Marriott you will just have to walk over the Sixth Street Bridge to get to the North Side bars (there isn%26#39;t a ton of night life in downtown per se.) Some other downtown hotels are a bit more of a hike, though still quite doable, such as the Omni William Penn and the Doubletree. Other downtown hotels that get middling reviews on this site are the Westin and the Hilton.



Bengals/Steelers in Dec.


The Downtown Hilton is where the Steelers stay for a home game, so there%26#39;s a chance you may run into one in the lobby. If that sort of thing appeals to you.





We always stay at the Hilton and find it very nice all things considered.

Gettysburg and around

I%26#39;m travelling with my parents to washington dc for 7 days at the end of October. We%26#39;ll be staying in Arlington with relatives for most of the time but are planning a trip out of washington for a couple of days. Our current plan is to base ourselves in Gettysburg for 2/3 nights. Our other thought is to maybe go down around Montecello for that time, see shendoahs etc. We%26#39;re leaning towards Gettysburg at the moment because my Dad is really interested in American history and would love to see the battlefields. Also, its a much closer drive. We%26#39;ll be hiring a car but its been a while since my parents have driven in the States (we%26#39;re irish) and I%26#39;ve never driven in the US. My question is, apart from the sights in Gettysburg itself what else could we see or do? And not just necessarily in Gettysburg....is there anything of interest in the surrounding area. What could we do to fill 3 days? As I said, we%26#39;ll have a car so a bit of driving won%26#39;t be a problem





Appreciate the help



Gettysburg and around


We do Gettysburg as a day trip from Arlington every year (my son is a Civil War history fan) and always seem to have enough time to drive through the battlefield, stop to climb the two towers which overlook the battlefield and walk through a portion or two of the battlefield. However, since you%26#39;re going in late October when it gets dark earlier, I might suggest that you do this as an overnight trip. That would give you and your father enough time to extensively walk and drive through the battlefield, tour the Visitor%26#39;s Center and visit the National Cemetary where so many of the Union soldiers who died in the battle are buried.



Although we have never hired one of the registered battlefield guides from the Visitor%26#39;s Center, they are HIGHLY recommended and, having heard part of their presentation, I can tell you that they are both well-informed and interesting. Your father might really appreciate having a private guide. The guides ride with you in your car, so you%26#39;d need a seat for them.



In the evening, you could go on a ghost tour of Gettysburg (which would be particularly appropriate since Halloween is October 31st.) There are many tour groups to choose from and I think a search of TA will give you more info on who%26#39;s good and who%26#39;s not.



Finally, on the way back to Arlington the next day, you could stop to tour the Antietam battlefield at Sharpsburg, Maryland. This was the bloodiest one-day battle of the Civil War. The battlefield is smaller here, so you could easily do it all in a few hours.



Although I think that one night would be sufficient for Gettysburg, if you want to stay longer, you could drive up to the Lancaster area and see some of the sights of ';Amish country';. I, however, think it would be preferable to then go down to Monticello, a beautiful part of the state with a lot of history and/or Shenandoah National Park, one of my favorite places in Virginia.



P.S. There are several good spots for Civil War battlefields that are an easy drive from Arlington. Closest is the Manassas Battlefield, which is probably a 35-to45-minute drive from Arlington. Another is Fredericksburg which is about an hour%26#39;s drive from Arlington.



Gettysburg and around


I%26#39;m assuming that you already have plans for a day or two of Gettysburg, so here are some ideas that can link up with those.





If your dad is interested in American history, a trip to Harper%26#39;s Ferry is not to be missed. It%26#39;s a beautiful little town/national park which has witnessed many historic eras and events. The park is nicely done, with many buildings restored as museums. Private shops line several of the streets, adding to the atmosphere. Every time I go there I learn something new. It%26#39;s about an hour and a half from Gettysburg, but would be an easy trip on your way to/from Gettysburg. (Side note: You can also walk along the Appalachian Trail, a famous trail that goes from Maine to Georgia, and cross a pedestrian bridge to the C %26amp; O Canal Towpath.)





Another nice trip would be to Hershey. It%26#39;s about forty-five minutes northeast of Gettysburg. Many tourists go there for the amusement park, but there is a neat free attraction called Chocolate World, a lovely garden, and a decent museum. Even just driving through the town is interesting. (Lights shaped like Hershey Kisses!)




If you are interested in Gettysburg, you should definitely visit The National Civil War Museum, located in Harrisburg, PA - just 45 minutes north of Gettysburg and worth the visit. The grounds and building are beautiful and it could take up to 3 hours if you linger to go through the galleries. Check out their schedule of events on their website to see if there are any activites going on at that time.




Thanks for the suggestions. I really like the idea of Harper%26#39;s Ferry and the trail. You%26#39;ve given me a lot to think about!




I agree with Harpers Ferry! If you go be sure to go into the chruch at the top of the hill. Look in all corners so you dont miss what most tourists do!!! Then walk up to the cemetary on top of the hill above the chruch. Very cool. I love sitting by the pink quartz tombstone and sinking it all in.




I agree...especially the time of year you are coming...beautiful autumn...a trip to Harper%26#39;s Ferry would be absolutely amazing. Gettysburg is located in Adam%26#39;s County which is one of the largest apple growing counties in the country...and it will be apple picking time. A 5 mile drive west of Gettysburg is the Adam%26#39;s County winery which is located in the heart of apple orchards...



You can easily do Harper%26#39;s Ferry, then drive to Sharpesburg (Antietam) - about 10 miles north, then east to Frederick, Maryland where they have the Civil War Medical Museum and then a quick 20 miles north to Gettysburg. I also agree hiring a Licensed Battlefield Guide - about $45/2 hours and they drive your car...plus a tip. That%26#39;s your best bang for your money because it is personal, you can ask all the questions you like and can go at your own speed. Enjoy!




Be sure to visit the Eisenhower house near the battlefields. Very interesting.





The wax museum is not really worth the few dollars of admission. The faces are not remotely like real life.





Be sure to do the electric map at the battlefield.





Be SURE to eat at the cashtown inn. Food there is fabulous!





Cheers!




While in Gettysburg, certainly hire a battlefield guide. Others here have recommended it, but I will chime in too. They%26#39;re a great way - the best way - to see the battlefields. The ones I have had are all good, and there are a few mentioned by name in this forum. You can probably request one of them if you want to. Not a bad idea to reserve your guide, because though they%26#39;re usually available on the day you%26#39;re there, I have seen people turned away when demand exceeds available guides. You don%26#39;t want to come all the way from your beautiful green island and miss out or be disappointed.



The suggestions about Harpers Ferry and Antietam are excellent, and the two are only a few miles apart.



Also since you%26#39;ll be in the DC area do not miss Mount Vernon (Washington%26#39;s home). Fantastic place.



Philadelphia and Valley Forge are a couple hours by car from Gettysburg. Lots to see there.



There is a tremendous amount of American history within a few short hours of either DC or Gettysburg. Almost too much to catalog. So these suggestions are but a few.



Have a wonderful trip!!

Philly Day trip

Taking Amtrak to Philly for just one day. Arriving in the AM heading to see the Tut exhibit. (mid 30 females). we will be dependant on taxis or public transit.





What else can we do %26amp; see? What should we not miss?



Where can we eat that%26#39;s nice?



Where can we shop (not too pricey)?



Thanks



Philly Day trip


What are your interests?



What kind of foods do you like and at what price range? If you want something other than a typical restaurant then you should go to the Reading Terminal Market. See readingterminalmarket.org for more info.



Lynn



Philly Day trip


Interests: We are pretty open since neither one of knows the city at all , is there anything of interst in the same vicinty as the Franklin? We could do another museum or another place of interest.







What kind of foods do you like and at what price range?



Any type of food except sushi...This is a ';girls'; treat trip so for price we would not mind splurging on ourselves. So moderate to pricey as long as we have some great atmposphere.





And some time for some fun girl shopping before heading back to catch the train home.





So arrival see Tut...then something else...lunch...shopping...dinner...train to go home.



Thanks!




How about lunch at the Swan Lounge of the Four Seasons Hotel? It%26#39;s a beatuiful room overlooking Swan Fountan on the Ben Franklin Parkway.



Lynn




Continuing my train of thought . . .



After lunch you could walk to the PA Academy of the Fine Arts on Broad Street, a block and a half north of City Hall. That%26#39;s one of the lesser known gems of Philadelphia. It houses American art in an absolutely magnificent building.



Shopping - small, upscale stores on Walnut Street between Broad and Rittenhouse Square (18th St.)



Lynn




Thanks Lynn3!



I saw some postings where people talked about lines from school class groups at Tut and that VIP tickets were teh way to go..no waiting in line. Does anyone know how to access these tickets?



I am .looking at goign to the exhibit around 11am and was going to purchase them on-line



Thanks




Ok j...got my answer just called and found out the VIP tickets are via hotel deals and I am not staying overnight




VIP tickets are not actually a huge help, all they give you is the ability to enter at any time as opposed to a specific one. No matter what, its luck of the draw as to how many people are already in there.




I hear there is a Daffy%26#39;s store..is it far from where I will be?




Daffy%26#39;s isn%26#39;t too far - it is at 17th and Chestnut. Maybe a 10-15 minute walk from the FI.





Suzanne




There is also a Loehmann%26#39;s not to far from Daffy%26#39;s.

Sunday, April 4, 2010

Kid-friendly restaurants with authentic PA Dutch cuisine

My wife and I will be traveling with our 13 month old daughter to Lancaster, PA this October and I%26#39;m looking for good kid-friendly, non-chain restaurants that serve authentic PA Dutch cuisine. Quality is more important to us than quality, although I%26#39;m assuming my options are somewhat limited due to the age of my daughter (who, btw, is fine in restaurants). While a smorgasbord seems ';authentic';, I am worried that quality loses out to quantity (and that we lose out on the ambience/atmosphere as well) -- I have not heard good things about Miller%26#39;s, but have heard some good things about Good %26#39;n Plenty. Any recs would be greatly appreciated!



Kid-friendly restaurants with authentic PA Dutch cuisine


Bird in Hand %26amp; Willow Valley Family Restaurants both have smorgasboard and menu dining, so you can choose what you want. We have been happy with both places. Willow Valley is a bit more expensive. I have read the Dienner%26#39;s on Rt. 30 is also quite good, but I have yet to try it. Bird in Hand has a kids section on their buffet that is designed like Noah%26#39;s Ark.



Kid-friendly restaurants with authentic PA Dutch cuisine


We second the restaurant Dienner%26#39;s at Ronks. You can either have the buffet or order off a menu. The buffet is excellent and includes dessert with very reasonable prices. Everything that we ate on the buffet and off the regular menu was delicious.




My first choice would also be Dienner%26#39;s. Under 2 years old buffet is free. While the buffet isn%26#39;t as large as some, all of their foods are high quality and authentic Pennsylvania Dutch cooking. You%26#39;ll be eating with a lot of the locals, as opposed to busloads of tourists at the ';feeding troughs';. Take a look at their menu on website:



www.dienners.com. Be aware that closing time is earlier in the evening than one might expect. Call for hours. Another kid-friendly choice would be Lapp%26#39;s Family Restaurant on route 30 near Dutch Wonderland--menu ordering at this establishment.




I would go to the Bird in Hand Family Restaurant and Smorgasboard. They offer a large buffet for adults, and a Noah%26#39;s Ark Kids Buffet.This was built by a real amish man, and serves kid-friendly food.




How true, JourneyGuy....if you do go to one of the big smorgasbords that host several busloads at one time, be careful not to get between them and the food...it can get ugly.




I would go to Ephrata to the Cloister Diner. Excellent PA dutch style food and everything made on the premises. just a small family type place........I don%26#39;t think a bus ever went there.




I have been to Millers and Bird in Hand and have to say they both werent that great. The only advantage with BIH was they had a childrens buffet and we didnt learn this until the end after my kids ate. Millers used to be good about 15 years ago but has gone down hill. Willow Valley Smorgasbord was a bit better but I dont know if you can exactly call any of the three authentic dutch food. I made a better chicken %26amp; dumplings then Millers believe it or not.



Maybe the other places the above posters mentioned are good. I heard a bunch of nice things about Dieners, Shady Maple and Good N Plenty.




Our hotel recommended Good %26#39;n Plenty and we thought it was excellent. So much so that we%26#39;re making a second stop (years later) on a trip planned for later this month. Hope it%26#39;s still the same. It%26#39;s family-style, BTW, at community tables so child friendly.




Thanks everyone for their recommendations! Looks like a lot of you liked Dienners -- and its not a tourist trap -- what a bonus.




Make sure to give us report upon your return. I think you%26#39;ll be quite pleased with the food offered, and you%26#39;ll certainly get your money%26#39;s worth!!


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  • Relo to PIT

    Will relo to PIT very soon. Had a quick neighborhood search this past weekend. Single male, late 30%26#39;s.



    My needs:



    A destination neighboorhood - within 5 min. of ';stuff';; shopping, grocery, food, bars.



    Easily accessible/drivable to work, which is located near the airport -I will travel a bit for work, too.



    Safety/parking - I like my car parked indoors, free from weather.



    Townhome or single-family home is definitely affordable - I like newer or recently rehabbed homes.



    People - I am brand new to the city, I%26#39;d like to find a place which welcomes 30-40-somethings (not just the late night ';party'; crowd, but chill out atmosphere, too).



    I%26#39;ve lived in cities before (Memphis and Chicago) and I%26#39;ve also lived in more layed out suburbs/subdivisions.



    This weekend I saw Southside and was impressed, but got no flavor for the people. Liked Squirrel Hill a bit. On the suburb side, Robinson and Moon Townships.



    Any other thoughts are appreciated? I did some searches, so I%26#39;m trying to be a little more specific about my needs/wants. Thanks.



    Relo to PIT


    Are you completely averse to Beaver County?





    Although not yet complete ';destination'; neighborhood, Center Township is booming with shopping and new eateries. You would also be within 10 mies of the airport area if not less, and our taxes are MUCH lower than Allegheny County.





    While the South Side is nice to visit, you won%26#39;t get much for parking and you%26#39;ll likely end up with higher insurance rates because of the frequent hit and runs.





    Are you looking to buy or rent? Independence Square in Hopewell Township is right off the highway, 5 minutes from the airport area and less than 10 from the shopping area in Center. They are townhomes with garages and some condos with no garage.





    Robinson and Moon are both nice areas, but like I said, the taxes are higher.



    Relo to PIT


    If you are working near the airport and also traveling a bit for work, then I believe you will be happiest living in the Robinson or Moon area or Beaver County as the prior person mentioned. Other names to look up on real estate websites - North Fayette (a lot of newer homes, newer and established subdivisions with town homes, near shopping etc). North Fayette is a Township so they could also be listed as Oakdale, McDonald (Allegheny County) as the City. You could also try Imperial (Findlay Township). You might want to search by school district, not because you need school info, but because it will pull the areas you need - they would be West Allegheny, Montour, Moon and maybe the prior poster could help with school districts in Beaver Co - maybe Hopewell?





    Traffic on the Parkway West (279) is a pain, especially if you live on one side of the tunnel and work on the other.





    Hope this helps.




    The urban residential neighborhoods where you can walk to restaurants, shops, etc. are mostly in the east end of Pittsburgh (Squirrel Hill, Shadyside). Mt. Lebanon is in the south hills, and therefore closer to your job, but depending on how close to a main artery you live, the commute might not be much different. Mt. Lebanon is more of a family neighborhood as people go there for the schools, and real estate taxes are high, but it does have sidewalks and a business district.





    I%26#39;ve never lived in the Southside but I worked there for a few years, and it is an interesting place. Parking is a problem right around the main street (E. Carson) but I assume a lot of the newer townhouses would come with a garage. Southside attracts a young crowd, college age and a bit above. Shadyside has a slightly more mature appeal, I think. And then there%26#39;s the rest of the city, where we%26#39;re all about 80 years old. (Not that there%26#39;s anything wrong with that, I hope to make it there myself)





    If you don%26#39;t mind driving everywhere, then the areas in Moon and Robinson might appeal to you but they do not have an urban feel to them.





    Good luck, there are plenty of affordable, safe places to choose from. Welcome to Pittsburgh!




    The 2 Beaver County school districts I would recommend looking at are Hopewell and Center. South Side schools are a little more rural than I think you would like, Monaca and Center are in merger negotiations, and some of the others aren%26#39;t quite what you would be looking for.




    Oh and if you do prefer the urban life to suburbs, check Mt. Washington. You%26#39;re just an incline ride away from Station Square and some of the best restaurants in the city are on Grandview Avenue there.





    It%26#39;s pricey but there are single family homes and it%26#39;s a nice neighborhood.




    Thanks all, for the great comments. 2 quick follow-ups.



    Commute - I live in Chicago where traffic is often at a standstill, so commutes are all relative. It can take me an hour to drive 20 miles.



    Singles scene - If I choose a further out %26#39;burb, what are the social scenes like (are there better places than others)? I%26#39;m looking for more than a family-friendly community.



    Thanks.




    After growing up in Pittsburgh, moving to Va Beach for 6 years and then to DC, upon my return there was not a doubt in my mind I%26#39;d live in the South Side. I%26#39;ve lived on 18th and Carson for 3 years (in a great 2 bedroom, 2 story apartment) and have just now bought a house a few blocks down.





    If you%26#39;re looking for city-style living, South Side has it. You can walk to the post office, grocery store, restaurants, nightlife, etc. There is, to me, less pretentiousness than in Shadyside. If you like to chill, there are chill bars- Fatheads on a weeknight, Lava Lounge, Z Lounge, Tiki Bar, and then on Fridays/Saturdays get away from the novices and go behind Carson to the Jaggerbush, or Red and Irenes, or go shoot pool at Shootz.





    For food, I suggest the Library (serves until 1 am and has cool theme nights like crepes and karaoke, all you can eat BBQ, movieoke, etc), 17th Street Cafe, Carson Street Deli. I can give you more!





    Here%26#39;s my synopsis in a nutshell-





    Shadyside- snobby, but a great place to live



    Oakland- great if you%26#39;re 18-21



    Monroeville- close to all amenities but too far from airport area



    North Hills- McKnight Road isn%26#39;t called McKnightmare for nothin%26#39;



    South Hills- no 376 means sitting in lights no matter where you want to go, but the T is convenient for working downtown





    I probably sound so pro-South Side, but there ya go.




    Not being single, I can%26#39;t really comment on the ';singles scene';, however we do go to the South Side for a night out every once in awhile and it%26#39;s a great place to people watch.





    While we stay on the main street (Carson) I%26#39;m sure there are places on the side streets that are favored by locals and would probably be better places to meet people. The Caron Street bars are loaded with college age - remember there are several major universities in downtown.





    Again, check out the Mt. Washington area. I think it may be exactly what you are looking for.




    Have to agree with ihearteurope post. I used to live on 16th Street, on the Southside. As a single person (then), had no car ...you didn%26#39;t need one...walk or take a bus. Always people around on the main street (East Carson). Always hussle and bustle of life going on, morning, noon and night. Sunday mornings were great...nice and quiet...all the outsiders have gone home and for the most part, just the people who actually live there are on the streets. Just don%26#39;t go food shopping on Saturday, it%26#39;s crazy busy at the Giant Eagle. On any given night you can just walk along and find a bar to go into, from loud and crazy to tame and everything and everybody inbetween. I had lots of fun...and I was in my early 40%26#39;s, so you being SM in 30%26#39;s would have no problem in the finding of fun aspect. If I were to move back to Pittsburgh today, there is no doubt in my mind I would be moving back to the Southside again...




    If I were in my 30s, single and professional I would choose to live in either the South Side, Shadyside or please consider the new trendy places in the Strip District (part of downtown) which are really quite enticing. There are a few just now being rebuilt and redone from old architecture. Lovely, albeit expensive. I would simply want to be where some fun and people are as well as some good food. I am not in my 30s nor single anymore although professional....and I am rotting in the suburbs- they are okay if you are raising kids blah blah...but soooo boring. I think now that I should move...

    Old Home on Osgood Street

    Does anyone know of the old home at 2301 Osgood Street that was


    built for Judge McNaugher? Any pictures or details would be so helpful. Thanks.



    Old Home on Osgood Street


    H %26amp; A Heating %26amp; Air Cond



    2301 Osgood St, Pittsburgh, PA



    (412) 366-2990





    Looks like it%26#39;s a business now.





    Perhaps you could call them and ask about the building.



    Old Home on Osgood Street


    Thanks so much for the info.



    I think I%26#39;ll follow thru and send a



    letter to the address. Wish me luck.




    Good luck!





    Are you family of the old Judge?





    Have you downloaded Google Earth and looked for that particular address? It may not give you much detail, but it%26#39;s a start.




    Not family, but my Mom lived there when she was a young women.



    It was supposed to have an elevator, silk wall hangings, servants



    quarters, a library with leaded glass bookshelves. I always wanted



    to take Mom back to see if it was still there but unfortunately she



    passed away before we could do it. Somehow I feel like I still need



    to connect with that house. Crazy huh!



    Thanks for your help.

    Cabs in Philly / Johnny Brenda's

    I%26#39;m going to a show at Johnny Brenda%26#39;s (1201 N. Frankford Ave) and although I know it won%26#39;t be a problem getting a cab to the venue, are cabs easily found driving around that area so I can get back downtown? Open to public transportation too. Thanks!



    Cabs in Philly / Johnny Brenda's


    There may be a few cabs around there, but you could always call for a cab or hop on the El back into town.





    Who are you going to see?

    safety / neighborhoods?

    Hello everyone,





    My friend and I (both in our early 20s) are going to Philadelphia for the first time. I haven%26#39;t found much information on the different neighbhoords.





    Can anyone tell us how the neigbhorhoods are divided, and more information about them (like the overall feeling, which ones to stay away from, etc.)





    Thank you in advance!



    safety / neighborhoods?


    Wiki travel seems to have a decent breakdown description of the neighborhoods





    http://wikitravel.org/en/Philadelphia





    phila.gov/cgi-bin/鈥ec_centers_overview.jpg





    Typically if you are traveling to Philadelphia, you%26#39;ll be staying in old city, center city,and art museum areas. If going to a professional sports event or concert, you%26#39;ll go to South Philly.





    Northeast Philadelphia is mostly middle class residential, nothing to see up there.





    West and North are considered the bad part of the city, where most of the crime occurs, and should be avoided unless you are going to the zoo.





    Manayunk has a good nightlife, seems to be mainly a post college part of the city for people that are single yet have new found money through their first job.



    safety / neighborhoods?


    What do you want to do/see when you%26#39;re here?

    Which hotel is nicest but to convenient to convention/shops

    Will be in Philly early October for convention and was able to book two reservations, one at Marriott Courtyard and another at Raddison Warkwick Plaza. My co-worker and I are debating which is the better by hotel reviews. Would appreciate if experienced travelers would share your opinion. Looking for convenience to convention center, but would also like a nice area, ambiance and close to shopping, malls, etc. Also, the Doubltree was an option we did not select , but it appeared to have very high reviews.



    Which hotel is nicest but to convenient to convention/shops


    Well for Convention center access, you can%26#39;t beat the Courtyard, its right there. The only hotel with better access is the main Marriott, which is physically connected. It%26#39;s a standard Courtyard, if you have stayed at one before you will know what you are getting. I%26#39;d also say it has the best options for easy dining, being right next to the Reading Terminal Market, Chinatown and a short (5-10) min walk to Rittenhouse square or Old City. Nothing special about the area.





    The Radisson is in a slightly more attractive area (Rittenhouse Square), but is about a 10 min walk to the convention center. Plenty of dining nearby as well, or you can eat near the Conv Center before heading back. It%26#39;s a little bit nicer than the courtyard room wise.





    The Doubletree is also about a 10 min walk away. Not as nice an area (not bad, just not attractive). Probably closest to the Walnut Street shopping area.





    There are no really nice Malls anywhere near there. There is the Gallery but honestly, its become pretty run down in my opinion. Lots of nice stores on Walnut and quite a few on Chestnut as well.





    Given your three options, I%26#39;d take the courtyard. In the event of rain or something you don%26#39;t need to go far to get to the event or food, and the rooms are decent if not special.



    Which hotel is nicest but to convenient to convention/shops


    I really like the downtown Courtyard. It is not a typical Courtyard - it%26#39;s in a beautiful building that is on the National Register of Historic Places. The rooms are nice and large. There is a nice indoor pool and hot tub. Plenty of restaurants in the area and very close to the convention center.





    I had a friend who recently stayed at the Radisson Warwick and it was just renovated and very nice as well. I have not stayed there myself, but recent reviews look rather favorable.





    I have also stayed at the Doubletree...and although it is a fairly nice hotel, I%26#39;d definitely choose the Courtyard above it.





    Hope this helps, let us know if you have additional questions.





    Suzanne




    I definitely agree with Suzanne ~ I was so suprised when I walked in one of those rooms. Not the typical Courtyard. Also is very close to the Convention Center and not too far from shopping on Walnut %26amp; Chesnut Sts.




    Loonbeam -



    You must be a sprinter. ; ) It%26#39;s 3/4 mile from Marriott Courtyard to either Old City or Rittenhouse Square. I think at typical tourist pace those are 20 minute walks, especially if one encounters red lights.



    Lynn




    I did the FI to the parking garage at the Marriott in 20 mins, so I guess I walk fast ;)





    I%26#39;ve stayed at the courtayrd, was not as impressed as some of you (but WAS very happy with it. I wonder if some rooms are the basic model (only stayed once for one night)




    Thank you for you comments. We are arriving this Thursday and have decided to try the Courtyard. Will let you know our impression and how are stay turns out.





    Another question: Does anyone know if the Philadelphia airport has a mobile phone service. We would like to purchase a prepaid SIM card to use with our mobile phones during our stay in Philadelphia.




    There are mobile shops in the airport, but I%26#39;d wait till you get into the city, they tend to be pricey (unless you need it immediately). Also, unlike most overseas countries, pre-paid sim cards are not easy to find. 99% of phones in the US are sold locked. You may end up having to get a pay as you go phone.

    Hotel suggestions for out of town guests for a wedding

    I am getting married next September. My church is in Lansdale and my reception is in Perkasie. I thought North Wales may be a good middle point. Any suggetions for a reasonably priced, nice hotel in the North Wales area?



    Hotel suggestions for out of town guests for a wedding




    You have a number of possibilities. You may be able to book a decent weekend deal at the Homewood Suites. It is near Merck and has a lot of corporate traffic during the week. Suites are clean and nice with good, free breakfast in the morning. Courtyard by Marriott on 202 just south of Montgomery Mall is a possibility.



    You may find cheaper price at Comfort Inn, which is just north of 5-points, Montgomeryville on route 309. If you need limited rooms--4 or less, I%26#39;d recommend der Stone Farmhouse, which is on Derstine Road near Hatfield. Fairly intimate B%26amp;B with full breakfast served in the morning. Its prices are competive with the Best Western at Towamencin, right off of the Lansdale exit of turnpike, which I don%26#39;t usually recommend to anyone. Short of these options, you may want to look at a couple of choices just off the Quakertown exit of Turnpike: Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn Express, which are both competitively priced, and have had good reviews from corporate travelers I have referred there. I%26#39;d start with Homewood Suites--I don%26#39;t think your guests would be unhappy with that choice!



    Hotel suggestions for out of town guests for a wedding


    I%26#39;m wondering how your planning is coming along? I recently thought of another possibility--William Penn Inn has a limited number of overnight rooms. They may be out of your price limit, but may be worth exploring!




    I recently (December 2006) booked a group of rooms at the Homewood Suites in Landsale. It was a wonderful stay and all the guests loved it. We usually tend to stay in 3 or 4 star hotels and this was right up there. Some members of our group said that it was by far the nicest hotel they had ever stayed in. Jennifer Brown, the group sales employee was absolutely great! We were there on a weekend (Friday - Saturday) and the place was pretty empty as the business travelers had cleared out by then.




    Well...we went with the Homewood Suites. Jennifer was wonderful and I am very excited about our choice!! Thank you for the suggestion.



    Next plan...the honeymoon:)




    I have just found a very useful website for accommodation in north wales ranging from hotels, B%26amp;Bs, farmhouses, self catering etc. Website is breaksnorthwales.co.uk




    Well...we are officially married. Our guests stayed at the Homewood Suites in Lansdale. THey were very impressed by the rooms and the value of the rooms. The staff were very helpful to me and accomodating towards my guests.




    Glad you went with the suggestion! I thought that they would do a nice job for you! It%26#39;s great to hear that the guest were well cared for!



    (When upgrading computers, I changed my name from ';gumrat'; to ';journeyguy';!)





    I%26#39;d also have interest in where you held your reception and your satisfaction with the meal, as I sometimes plan business and church meals. Thanks!


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  • One year anniversary of the Amish schoolhouse tragedy

    Today, October 2, 2007, the rebuilt ';New Hope'; school will be closed so the families can visit, reflect %26amp; pray with one another.





    The family who lost two daughters hosted a picnic yesterday %26amp; invited families of the schoolchildren, neighbors, first responders such as EMS personnel %26amp; even police officials to attend. Hymns were sung and plenty of hugs, tears, prayers %26amp; heartfelt thank-yous were offered up.





    Of the surviving girls, only one is still in a wheelchair %26amp; the others have all returned to school.



    One year anniversary of the Amish schoolhouse tragedy


    The Amish countryside of Pa is one of my favorite places to visit. They are in general such a wonderful, strong community - I think a lot of people could learn from the way that they handle tragedy.



    One year anniversary of the Amish schoolhouse tragedy


    Those interested may wish to see an update on the effects of this tragedy. The ';Nickel Mines Accountability Committee'; which was formed to process the many donations flooding in, has given an update which can be viewed at www.mds.mennonite.net. Click on the link to the Nickel Mines update. While very private, the Amish do welcome our prayers for continued healing. In the spirit of their response to the One who taught, ';Love your enemies; do good to them who hate you,'; the Amish community has also reached out to the surviving family of the perpetrator. In this spirit, I would also encourage prayers on behalf of the Roberts family--now a widow and her children. Our world has much to learn through the witness of those who have lost so much!

    Melrose Diner?

    An aquaintence recommended the Melrose Diner for a good meal. Since I haven%26#39;t heard about it here, I was wondering if anyone has anything to share about it. I%26#39;m looking forward to my Philly trip, I leave early Sat. morning!



    Thanks



    Melrose Diner?


    ';A good meal'; is an individual thing...





    The Melrose is a Philadelphia institution. The food is good, but not great. Mainly it%26#39;s reliable. If you are a diner fan, then it is a definite stop. If you are in search of a true (South) Philadelphia experience, it is a definite stop. Here are a few things to know:





    The waitress will call you ';hon';. Don%26#39;t take it personally.



    The waitresses have been there forever, even the young ones. They%26#39;ve heard it all, so don%26#39;t get cute. They get a knife and fork badge after 5 years, I think. The water is filtered. The place is clean. Really clean. The garbage is refrigerated for sanitation and aesthetic purposes. The booths are all shared (except for one at either end of the diner which seats 3), so if you want more privacy, eat at the counter. You don%26#39;t have to wait in line for the counter, unless it, too, is filled. Usually, there is no hosting- it%26#39;s mosty on the honor system, but trust me, you don%26#39;t want to jump ahead of anyone.





    Somehow, and I don%26#39;t know how they do this, the coffee is really, really hot. I think it%26#39;s over 212 degrees, but I can%26#39;t prove it. It%26#39;s really good, too. If you go (and this is actually a reason to go), get the hot apple pie with vanilla sauce. Don%26#39;t let this stop you, but the apple pie mixture is mixed by hand-literally. Well, actually by arm.



    DO NOT WEAR ANY NON-PHILLY TEAM SPORTS OUTFITS!!!!! Especially anything from Texas, Washington, New York, or Boston.



    You wuz warned.





    Oh, here are some key phrases:





    Wutchizhavenhon? = What would you like to order?



    Beritewitchez = I%26#39;ll be there in a minute or two or three...



    Yizdun? = Are you finished?





    Don%26#39;t ask more than two questions about the menu. And DON%26#39;T ask what scrapple is. Just have some. Don%26#39;t move to another seat once you sit. When you get coffee, the FIRST thing you do is lift up the cup and place a napkin on the saucer to sop up the spilled coffee (see coffee is hot, above)





    Once you go in, you can%26#39;t get out without waiting in line at the cashier. Oh, pay with cash. If you park on the street, feed the meter before you go in. Our slogan: ';Welcome to Philadelphia. Bring Quarters.';





    Enjoy.



    Melrose Diner?


    That has to be the funniest and most accurate description of the Melrose I have ever seen. LOL!!!



    Lynn




    Owlyn,





    VERY well said!!!!





    Suzanne




    Lynn %26amp; Suzanne,





    Thanks. I try to be accurate and humorous when possible :)




    Owlyn,



    What a great reply! All of it is valuable information. I will be sure to leave all the Cowboys stuff at home. (I%26#39;m actually mad at them this season, anyway). I hope I can remember all your suggestions.



    Tonight, someone told me not to talk like a Texan while I%26#39;m there, I told them if I did I would have to just keep my mouth shut the whole time. My husband got real excited about that until I told him I didn%26#39;t have to speak to be able to shop.



    Thanks again for wonderful adivce!



    Allison




    Enjoyed owlyn%26#39;s post immensely. It was amusing and accurate. I%26#39;ve been going to the Melrose Diner since I was three -- which was 1950! (It was in a different location a couple of blocks away then.) I ate there often from childhood through graduation from South Philly High School, which is located about two blocks away.





    It%26#39;s very reliable for basic diner food, especially breakfast fare.





    I haven%26#39;t lived in Philly since 1966, but I often eat at Melrose (as the regulars call it) when I visit the city.




    I think the only thing not included in these wonderful responses is the location of the Melrose. Sounds like a great place for a solo traveler like me. Is it a 24/7 kind of diner or more of a breakfast and lunch place?




    It%26#39;s VERY MUCH a 24/7 place. There are always customers there, even in the middle of the night -- cops and shift-workers (there are a lot of hospitals nearby) on weeknights, post-party-goers on weekends.




    As FoodWallah said, it is definitely a 24/7 place. The food isn%26#39;t great, but it is good, and reliable. BUT- It%26#39;s under new ownership now, and I haven%26#39;t been there since he took over, so I can%26#39;t say that things are still the same. The new owner has ruined every diner he%26#39;s taken over (Country Club Diner in the Northeast, for example), but he claimed to not be making any changes at The Melrose. If you go at night, drive there, otherwise you can take the Broad Street Subway to Snyder Ave. 1 block walk from there.




    Yes, please post your experience. I haven%26#39;t eaten there since the owners took over, I%26#39;m hoping they didn%26#39;t butcher the place like they have others (that said, at least they kept it open, the other possible buyer was going to turn it into a YAS (yet another starbucks)

    Any reason to visit Erie PA??

    We will be driving from Nashville to Buffalo in October. Any reason to visit Erie PA? Or near by towns along the way?





    Any reason to visit Erie PA??


    I have never been to Erie - but Pennsylvania is one of my favorite places. I think you need to be more specific - what are you looking for?? Museums, history, scenery......



    Any reason to visit Erie PA??


    Active family with Two adults and 3 teens.



    I don%26#39;t know anything about the area of Erie. To break up trip thought we would stop off along the way. Actvities, ball games, museums, must see one of a kind sights, special foods, etc. All ideas appreciated.




    The Erie Maritime Museum and US Brig Niagara are definitely worth a visit. http://www.brigniagara.org/





    We also enjoyed the Erie Zoo. http://www.eriezoo.org/





    If you enjoy nature centers, visit Asbury Woods. http://www.asburywoods.org/about_us.html





    Finally, a visit to Presque Isle State Park is a must as well. http://www.presqueisle.org/





    Enjoy your visit.




    Family First Sports Park has putt putt, batting cages, go karts, etc. Mostly outdoors so best if the weather is nice. There is an indoor putt putt course and driving range.





    Also we have a hockey team which is playing now. Erie Otters. We do have an Art Museum, small historical museum and planetarium. When will you be here? There may be special fall type festivals going on - Peak-n-Peak ski resort has a fall fest in Oct. as well as many other small town celebrations.





    Any other interests?




    What can I say? Presque Isle, Presque Isle, Presque Isle!!!!





    It may be too cold to swim in Lake Erie in October, but visit this little spit of land just for the surf - huge (for the Great Lakes) waves roiling, crashing and pounding the shorline. It%26#39;s damn dangerous surf - in the summer there are lifeguards EVERYWHERE and very specific places where you may swim, as the undertow is FIERCE! - but it%26#39;s a beautiful spot, and if you like flat skipping rocks, this is THE place to be.

    Bar to watch Sunday night football game in

    Hello - I%26#39;m going to be in Pittsburgh next weekend and would like to know if there are any recommendations for a good bar to watch the Sunday night football game in that is in the downtown area around the Marriott Courtyard on Penn Ave. I%26#39;m looking for a place with multiple large screen TVs, a varied menu and a good selection of beer on tap.





    Thanks for your help!



    Bar to watch Sunday night football game in


    I don%26#39;t know of anything close, but if you want to cab over across the river to the stadium area, Jerome Bettis%26#39; Grille 36 is in the Del Monte building. There are also several other sports bars close by on the North Shore.



    Bar to watch Sunday night football game in


    Yes, just cross the Sixth Street Bridge to the North Shore, it is walkable and you should find plenty of places where people are watching the game. Bettis%26#39; place has 36 different beers available and lots of TVs. I haven%26#39;t sampled the food though.



    I pass along the following recommendation as someone who never watches the games in a bar, but Sports Rock Cafe used to be a good place to watch games.



    http://www.sportsrockcafepgh.com/



    Good luck, welcome!




    Good suggestions on the North Shore, but closer to the Courtyard, you might try August Henry%26#39;s pretty much directly across the street.




    Thanks for the suggestions everyone!




    Bettis%26#39; place doesn%26#39;t look like a good choice based on review/ comments.





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    Hi-Tops in the North Shore closed down on Sunday, so don%26#39;t try to go there! :(





    The North Shore is a great suggestion. There are quite a few places for you to choose from, so you can get a feel within a block. Bettis%26#39; place, I have heard, is a great place for a beer and the game.





    The South Side is a choice if you like local yokels. :) Hines Ward owns The Locker Room and that gets pretty crowded. Piper%26#39;s Pub is a nice, laidback place to watch the game.





    If you want to hit up the Waterfront, try Dave and Busters or Damon%26#39;s.

    Great new restaurant in Bellefonte

    %26#39;ve driven from Chicago to New England (Boston, Maine, Rhode Island) dozens of times since 1973, when my folks moved out to suburban Boston. I%26#39;ve never ceased to be amazed at the beauty of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, I don%26#39;t get away from Interstate 80 very much, but even so, we%26#39;ve found several nice places to stop, relax and visit, for a quick dinner, a stretch, or a vacation.





    My favorite town is Bellefonte, located at milepost 242. It%26#39;s a quaint victorian town full of hills, nice homes...and now has a super restaurant to make dining a great experience. On our last trip out, we stopped in Bellefonte at the High Street Pub. Expecting bar food, we were pleasantly surprised to find instead a high-class yet casual restaurant serving delightfully prepared foods, many of them organic and/or locally sourced. I had an unbelievable plate of bourbon bork osso bucco; pork shanks braised with wine, herbs, aromatic veggies and a hit of Jim Beam! Falling-off-the-bone scrumpcious! My wife%26#39;s brook trout, and son%26#39;s meatloaf were equally impressive. The service (by the lovely Rachel) was attentive and friendly. Overall, it was fantastic to find a restaurant of quality on the road (as roadfood these days has been co-opted by chains), and I hope people read this and, if they%26#39;re travelling through central PA on I-80, stop at the High Street. It%26#39;s worth the effort and time.





    Great new restaurant in Bellefonte


    Thanks for the post. Our son goes to Penn State and we%26#39;re always looking for places to stop on our way home from visiting. We stopped in Bellefonte last year but will make sure to look for High Street Pub later this year.

    weekend getaway

    Staying Sat Oct 6- Sun Oct 7 Made reservations at Serrano%26#39;s in Old City. Looking for ideas for after dinner and what to do for the day Sunday. Husband and I are celebrating our anniversary without the kids





    weekend getaway


    What are your interests?



    Lynn



    weekend getaway


    I am up for anything. I especially like experiencing different cultures and their food.




    You might enjoy strolling around Chinatown and stopping for dim sum. If you were to be here on the 5th I%26#39;d say take the Chinatown walking tour.



    There is a guided walking tour of the Italian Market. I believe it%26#39;s by appointment. If you go to gophila.com and look under ';Tours and Itineraries'; you%26#39;ll find info.



    Lynn




    The link to Joe%26#39;s Chinatown Walking tour...





    Joe is an AMAZING guy and one heck of a chef too!





    http://www.josephpoon.com/toursWokWalk.htm




    Joseph Poon is quite an interesting character. I saw him speak at the Atwater Kent museum. He%26#39;s full of stories.


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  • Any good clubs/bars that dont card?

    I%26#39;m 20 but look 21+



    Any good clubs/bars that dont card?


    Note that the poster%26#39;s name is ';the comedian';.



    Any good clubs/bars that dont card?


    They all card, so forget it. Wait the months until you are the legal age, funny guy.





    Suzanne




    I%26#39;m 38 an still get carded just about everywhere. And it%26#39;s not because I look 21. (29, maybe. ;-) )




    I am 39 and I still get carded too. Don%26#39;t even risk it, if you were serious.......





    I spend most of my time at the Key West forum, but thought I%26#39;d pop in to my ';local'; forum :)




    Everyone cards, and they card almost everyone. I%26#39;ve been carded and I%26#39;m old enough to... well, never mind. The Pa Liquor Control Board conducts raids with the State Police. Not a city for underage drinking.

    Bedford Springs Resort

    This classic old place has been refurbished and recently re-opened. Has anyone seen the place or stayed there? I live in a household of serious golfers.





    Bedford Springs Resort


    I stayed there on July 16 and was quite impressed with the beautiful rooms and the dining. The golf course looked beautiful, but I didn%26#39;t play.





    I%26#39;d give the resort a month or two before you book a trip since it%26#39;s still brand new. They%26#39;re still ironing out some issues (many of the outside facilities are still under construction, and the biking and hiking trails and conoe facilities are still unopened).





    Will be a stellar place once everything is in place.



    Bedford Springs Resort


    What a treat to read this message. Subsequent to my posting, I found out that the place opened July 12th. We are going to wait till at least next year.




    Waiting a year is a very good idea. We live in the area and tried to have breakfast last Sunday in one of the three restaurants. We didn%26#39;t stay. They aren%26#39;t ready for patrons yet. But, once they get everyone trained, and they get some of the organizational details worked out, this WILL be an amazing resort. It%26#39;s absolutely beautiful!




    They have done a wonderful job restoring the Grand Lady. Still much work needs to be done in training the staff. Stayed there last week and while much enjoyed it I was somewhat upset by the friendly but poorly trained staff. For example, over one hour to take luggage from car to room, unable to open a bottle of wine, room service trays left on hall floor for days, etc..



    Also, disappointed that the new owners have not provided tennis courts.




    Any updates or people who have visited here since August? We%26#39;re thinking about spending a couple of nights in early October and are deciding between Bedford Springs and Nemacolin but Bedford is much less money. Also, any feedback on the spa? It looks amazing from the website, and the water treatment reminds me of something I did at the Boca Resort in FL.




    Don%26#39;t, Don%26#39;t, and Don%26#39;t!



    We just finished a five day stay and all I can say is don%26#39;t go. The location and rooms are lovely, yes, but the staff has had very little traing, very little. The common answer to any question is ';I don%26#39;t know'; followed by no offer to find out. What were my questions? Why do the limited menus that are actually offered in the resteraunts not the same as what is posted online. I mean really, the Tavern%26#39;s menu is down to seven items!





    What about the 25 miles of trails, oh, they have not been done yet. And the springs- you can%26#39;t get in them. If you can find a map, none at the front dest or conciearge desk, you can go look at them.





    All cars a valet parked, and to get yours back, honestly took more than 40 min. each time we asked for our car.





    Food arrived either ice cold or, I kid you not, burned black - yum!





    Forget wake-up calls, we quit requesting them aster they missed the first two days. My parents got a wake up call when none was requested.





    Even on out fifth day staff was still asking us when we drove up if we were checking in - same staff we had been looking at for five days!





    I could go on and on, but why, just don%26#39;t go. They need lots more training - shame on management for not properly training staff.




    Their rates I saw in the Washington Post are pretty high for an unprepared place with untrained staff and unavailable info. We were going to go in Sept. but held off. We love the historic resorts. We travel a bit and I%26#39;m familiar with the attitude the last several years - in all areas of service, not just accommodations - of ';I-don%26#39;t-know-blank-stare'; like they feel they are the end of the line. In these cases it seems employers just throw out a bunch of employees and see what sticks. I do hope Bedford Springs realizes people need training to know how to relate to people, particularly in a pleasant, more than one star rating manner. I%26#39;m looking forward to discovering excellent service and feeling peaceful about it all in the not too distant future. I%26#39;ll keep checking here. I was hoping for earlyish June but that might be too soon?




    Yeah, after reading the reviews on here and exploring other options that are drivable from DC (a la Greenbrier and Nemacolin) we%26#39;ve decided to spend less money and take advantage of The Borgata%26#39;s weekday rates. This way we%26#39;ll have some $ to spend on the spa and gambling!



    Hope to check out Bedford Springs once they get their act together!




    We just spent a weekend at the Resort and we had none of the ';bad'; experiences that others have posted - we did experience wonderful service and great dinners. The staff is young, but they were so attentive to all our needs and really tried hard. The main reason we went was for the golf - and it was absolutely awesome and above our expectations. Magnificently groomed, slick but true greens and every hole has it%26#39;s own character - although pretty challenging for the high handicapper.



    If you are more in to the hiking and cycling, you may want to wait for those areas to be better developed, especially cycling.



    The Spa was fine, could have used a little more attention when you first get there, but the massage was top notch.



    Our car was immediately available whenever we asked for it.



    Yes, The resort does have to ';mature'; in certain areas, but if you want a great weekend for golf, it is marvelous.



    We would go back in a PA minute.



    And as with anything, people are 10 times more apt to complain than to compliment, so I want to make sure I give them their compliments for a job well done. We loved it!










    I was just on TA%26#39;s Bedford Springs Resort site and realized the candid photos showed more than the resort%26#39;s photos. Then I noticed the candid photo photographer said the same thing in his review. I%26#39;m looking forward to going early summer.

    Pennsylvania Tour

    Hi





    We are flying into New York at the end of April and plan to hire a car and drive into Pennsylvania and tour round.





    Any tips/advice of best places to visit/stay, and any scenic routes would be appreciated.







    Pennsylvania Tour


    I know this is way late, but I just joined TripAdvisor. Perhaps this can help other travellers.





    I%26#39;ve driven from Chicago to New England (Boston, Maine, Rhode Island) dozens of times since 1973, when my folks moved out to suburban Boston. I%26#39;ve never ceased to be amazed at the beauty of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, I don%26#39;t get away from Interstate 80 very much, but even so, we%26#39;ve found several nice places to stop, relax and visit, for a quick dinner, a stretch, or a vacation.





    My favorite town is Bellefonte, located at milepost 242. It%26#39;s a quaint victorian town full of hills, nice homes...and now has a super restaurant to make dining a great experience. On our last trip out, we stopped in Bellefonte at the High Street Pub. Expecting bar food, we were pleasantly surprised to find instead a high-class yet casual restaurant serving delightfully prepared foods, many of them organic and/or locally sourced. I had an unbelievable plate of bourbon bork osso bucco; pork shanks braised with wine, herbs, aromatic veggies and a hit of Jim Beam! Falling-off-the-bone scrumpcious! My wife%26#39;s brook trout, and son%26#39;s meatloaf were equally impressive. The service (by the lovely Rachel) was attentive and friendly. Overall, it was fantastic to find a restaurant of quality on the road (as roadfood these days has been co-opted by chains), and I hope people read this and, if they%26#39;re travelling through central PA on I-80, stop at the High Street. It%26#39;s worth the effort and time.





    The other area I can recommend is the Black Moshannon State Forest area, which is easily accessible from Phillipsburg and/or State College. A wild, beautiful slice of land full of rhodedendrons, indian pipe, deer and bears. Close your eyes and imagine what it must have been like when this area was ';the west';.



    Pennsylvania Tour


    Harrisburg has a lot to offer, it depends on your interests.



    1. There is the Whitaker Center, which has the Harsco Science Center and an IMAX Theater (www.whitakercenter.org/science/index.asp).



    2. You can ride the “Pride of the Susquehanna” riverboat on City Island, play Water Golf, or catch a Harrisburg Senators minor league baseball game during the summer (www.harrisburgpa.gov/parksRec/cityIsland/).



    3. The PA State Capitol has tours and there is the PA Museum with a variety of displays (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/toursWelcome.cfm and http://www.statemuseumpa.org/).



    4. There is also a Civil War Museum (http://www.nationalcivilwarmuseum.org/).



    5. Fort Hunter Park has a Victorian-era mansion, restored barn, church, stable, and tavern house that illustrate life in the 1800s (http://www.forthunter.org/).



    6. Wildwood Lake Sanctuary is a scenic wetland home to rare birds, delicate flowers, amphibians, and animals; the Olwine Nature Center has exhibits (http://www.wildwoodlake.org/).



    7. In nearby Boiling Springs is the Allenberry Playhouse, which is a quaint small restaurant/theater and resort along the Yellow Breaches Creek (http://www.allenberry.com/).





    If you want any other information about the area, please let me know.

    First Time To Hershey..Help Me Please

    A few questions..





    1. Are all the attractions in Hershey fairly close in proximitty? I%26#39;m mainly interested in the Hershey Gardens, Auto Museum, Hershey Hotel, etc.





    2. Do you recommend any specific attractions for 2 sixty years olds to do in Hershey..





    Thanks so much.



    First Time To Hershey..Help Me Please


    Hi,





    We went to Hershey a few years ago and had a blast. Yes, most attractions are close together, the town is not that big. It is a cute town. Be sure to see the Hershey kisses street lights downtown. By all means see the hotel and gardens. If you continue on the road in front of the hotel, there is a good view of the city and amusement park. The amusement park is fun, and not all rides are roller coaster types, so you might enjoy it. The Zoo is part of the park, so you might enjoy that. Be sure to see Chocolate World, it is free, and there are some cute shops in the complex. We really enjoyed the trolley tour of the Hershey area, which you pick up in front of Chocolate World. Then, we took a map and toured the countryside around Hershey School ourselves, and since it was summer, was very pretty-rolling hills and farmland. Everything there was very clean, and lots of flowers.





    If you want to do anything a bit away from Hershey we toured Amish Country one day; another day we took a tour of Gettysburg; toured the Harley Davidson Motorcycle plant in York (free); and drove into Philly for a day of the usual tourist spots, via trolley also. Then headed to Atlantic City for an evening, though we did not get back to Hershey til 4 AM-lol.





    Enjoy your trip-when are you planning to go? Tyme



    First Time To Hershey..Help Me Please


    Here%26#39;s a link to a Hershey map which may be of some help:



    http://www.hersheypa.com/plan_your_trip/





    Hershey is a small town, so things are pretty close together. Once you get to Chocolate World, you can walk to the amusement park and the Hershey museum. We didn%26#39;t go to the Gardens, so I don%26#39;t know if they are within walking distance of Chocolate World. The Hershey Hotel is on a hill overlooking the city, but is only about a 5 minute drive from Chocolate World.





    We were there for the spa at the Hershey Hotel, so the only places we visited outside of the hotel were Chocolate World and the Hershey Museum (for which we had free tickets due to our spa package). Chocolate World was OK and the candy at the gift shop is not ';factory'; priced. The only advantage is that it sells a lot of varieties that might not be available back home and they sell large chocolate greeting cards that can be personalized while you wait. We bought some of these cards for the various pet-sitters back home.



    We enjoyed the Hershey Museum, but I%26#39;m not sure that I would have gone if I%26#39;d had to pay the regular admission price. We would have liked to have gone to the Gardens (as we had free tickets for it too), but we were not there at a good time of year and we also ran out of time.



    One thing I might recommend is going to the Hotel Hershey to see both the exterior and interior architecture. The Fountain Lobby is beautiful and the Circular Dining Room is unique. We had dinner at the Circular Dining Room and it was delicious, but pricey. I would have loved to have had the buffet breakfast there as well, but we were stuffed from dinner the night before. You can freely walk around both inside and outside the hotel.



    Finally, if you enjoy outlet shopping, there are many outlet shops in Hershey as well.




    Hershey is a fairly small, clean and friendly town. All the attractions you mentioned are within minutes of each other. The Hershey Gardens are walking distance from the Hotel. If the weather is nice, enjoy having a drink or cup of coffee on the Hotel%26#39;s Terrace, which overlooks the town of Hershey. It%26#39;s also fun to walk around and enjoy the many photographs and hotel grounds. The Auto Museum is close by. In addition, I would consider visiting Chocolate World. It%26#39;s free and as you enter the que line for the free, amusement-like ride, you can read the history of Milton Hershey, which is fascinating. Just across the parking lot from Chocolate World is the Hershey Museum.



    If you have a car, the State Capitol in Harrisburg is just 20 minutes away, is absolutely magnificent and designated by Smithsonian as the most beautiful Capitol building in the US. You can take advantage of a free tour. In addition, the State Museum is just across the street from the Capitol. I%26#39;m not sure if it is free, but the admission fee is probably nominal. There are many cute restaurants along 2nd street in Harrisburg. If you enjoy walking, you can enjoy the Harrisburg riverwalk, which is two blocks from the State Capitol.



    Another option is to head East from Hershey and enjoy the Amish Country in Lancaster County. There are planned group tours and audio tours you can enjoy from your car. Lancaster is an easy 30-40 minute drive from Hershey. There are many tourist spots in Lancaster County.



    If you enjoy shopping, there are outlets in Hershey and outlets in a much larger scale in Lancaster - Tanger and Rockvale.



    If you enjoy antiquing, there are many antique shops just east of Hershey that are open on Sunday morning. Black Angus is one of the larger. They are located in Berks County just off the turnpike.



    If you enjoy the quiet, then take a 15 minute drive to nearby Mt. Gretna and enjoy this adorable vacation town that appears to be straight from the 1940s. They have a small theatre (Mt. Gretna theatre) that attracts well-known actors and actresses. Much is closed in the summer, but you can walk through the cute streets or hike on the many trails.



    Gettysburg is appx. 40-50 minutes away. There%26#39;s a lot to do in Central PA.

    Need help! Will be in hershey on a friday night need a place

    I%26#39;m heading into hershey on Friday Oct. 19th, just me and my gf for our 1 year anniversary of dating. I am going to take her to Union Canal for dinner but need a place or something to do at night..Any suggestions????



    Need help! Will be in hershey on a friday night need a place


    Visit nearby Harrisburg and take a steam paddleboat down the Susquehanna River. See www.harrisburgriverboat.com for more info. g



    Need help! Will be in hershey on a friday night need a place


    The Harrisburg Carriage Company offers horse drawn carriage rides on City Island and through downtown Harrisburg. They depart from City Island where the Pride of the Susquehanna is docked. Here is a website for all the activities on City Island - www.harrisburgpa.gov/parksRec/cityIsland/




    A romantic thing to do is to drive up to the Hershey Hotel and have drinks on the veranda or in the bar. It%26#39;s very pretty at the Hotel at night. The front Veranda overlooks the town of Hershey; the back overlooks the water gardens.



    Not much night life in Hershey, but there is a Houlihans that has a trendy decor and is right on the square of Hershey. If you enjoy bars, drive to Harrisburg (appx. 20 minutes from the Union Canal House) and enjoy the many bars and restaurants along restaurant row on Second Street in Harris. There%26#39;s a night club or two for dancing.



    There%26#39;s a Balloon festival sometime in Hershey that can be very romantic. You can sit on the bank across from Hershey Park and watch them take off or land. I would assume you could see them from the Veranda of the Hotel as well.

    byob

    I%26#39;m a little confused about the BYOB aspect. We will be staying at the Hampton and planned on walking to the restaraunts or taverns we will be visiting while there. How do you carry an open bottle around on the streets? Is BYOB just a a few places or is it common at a lot of establishments? Also, is it easy to buy beer and or spirits in the city or should I plan to bring some from home?



    Thanks for your help!





    byob


    BYOB is used for restaurants that do not want to put out the money to get a liquor license to distribute alcohol. Typically they are small restaurants where you can bring a bottle of wine. I%26#39;ve seen some mexican restaurants that you can BYOTequila and they%26#39;ll make margaritas for you.



    I don%26#39;t know if it%26#39;s not standard in Canton, but I%26#39;ve never given a thought to having an opened bottle of alcohol here.





    The state controls the liquor and wine in PA, if you like something specific, you can search to see we carry it, if not then you should bring it with you.





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    The closet beer distributor I see on google maps is 7 blocks away on 21st and callowhill, I%26#39;m sure someone can give a closer location. If you aren%26#39;t planning on drinking heavily, most bars sell 6 packs or 12 packs of beer.



    byob


    Thanks for the information.



    In Ohio it is illegal to carry open containers of alchol. I%26#39;ve learned through our travels that some places are different and I just thought I would check. The last thing I want to do while on vacation is get arrested.




    haha understandable. There are laws about it, but Philly seems to be a very tolerant city, as long as you aren%26#39;t causing a ruckus the police won%26#39;t interfere.




    As long as the establishment does not have a bar, you can BYOB, so it is pretty common. Just call and ask first. Carry it in a paper bag or a specially designed wine sack. There are a few establishments that will provide free house wine (it is allowed to give it away but not sell it without a license- welcome to Pennsylvania).




    I think the prohibition is against having an open bottle, not one that was opened and then recorked. If you open a bottle at the restaurant, drink some, and leave with the remainder in the corked bottle there%26#39;s no problem.



    Lynn




    Lynn,





    Technically speaking, once a bottle has been opened, it is considered open, whether re-corked or not. Keep in mind that the intent of the law is to prevent drunken driving and public drunkeness. The reality is that unless you are involved in a traffic violation, accident, or some unruly behavior, no one will enforce it.




    We have never had an issue coming or going with an uncorked bottle. Of course, we use a wine sack and always walk or take a cab.


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  • visiting philly sept.

    Hi, we,re visiting philadelphia from U.K. for 10 days from 19 sept and staying at the Crowne Plaza Centre City. Thats myself and my wife and three sons (ages 15,12,and 6.) Any advise on whats good to do and whats not would be much appreciated. Hope to fit in trip to N.Y.and possibly hire car to visit Civil War and War of Independence sites.



    My wife also asks wheres safe and wheres not.(possibly watched too many films.)



    visiting philly sept.


    Wow. You can see a LOT in 10 days. One suggestion- I would do a side trip to Washington DC instead of New York. If you%26#39;ve been to London, you%26#39;ve been to New York- and a prettier version (except for the traffic driving on the wrong side of the road). Washibngton has LOTS more to see than NYC, and almost everything is free.





    Philadelphia is a big city, so the usual cautions apply. Be aware of your surroundings, etc. That being said, the downtown area (where you will be spending most of your time), is generally pretty safe. Stay on well-traveled streets after dark. Walnut Street is the best east-west street after dark.





    The Crowne Plaza is a business hotel, and is at the west end of town. The major historic sites are at the east end of town, but everything is walkable. Weather is usually nice the time you will be visiting.





    For the boys- try The Mutter Museum (of Medical Oddities). It%26#39;s kind of gross, but kids seem to like it. The 6 and 12 year old may like The Franklin Institute.





    Of course, you can%26#39;t miss Independence Hall and The Liberty Bell. The Constitution Center gets great reviews (admission for thsi one). Also don%26#39;t miss Franklin Court (the remains of Ben Franklin%26#39;s house). Betsy Ross house is interesting just to get a taste of what colonial life was like in the city. The flag seamstress thing is really an Urban Legend. ';Ride The Ducks'; tour gets good reviews.





    Philadelphia Museum of Art is an absolute must. Easter State Penitentiary seems to be the ';hot'; thing to see right now. Lights of Liberty Tour one evening. Soooo many places to eat. At your end of town, go to Continental at 19th %26amp; Chestnut. Eat inside, but be sure to check out the rooftop deck (in the evening). There are many more, of course. Others here will chime in.



    visiting philly sept.


    To help you plan your visit, some of the Revolutionary War sites around the Philadelphia area (in addition to the BIG ones in the city%26#39;s historical district) include: Valley Forge, where the Continental Army and various militias under George Washington spent a miserable winter in 1777-78; Brandywine (PA), Trenton (NJ), Paoli (PA), Whitemarsh (PA), and Princeton (NJ). All are in the suburbs/outer suburbs of Philadelphia.





    Within the city but not in the historical area near Independence Hall, a major battle was fought at Germantown (now in the northwest part of Philadelphia) and at Fort Mifflin, which is still there and open to visitors, though not exactly fully restored. Fort Mifflin--adjacent to Philadelphia International Airport--was attacked by British ships and land-based artillery during the war. It%26#39;s sister fort (Fort Mercer) on the New Jersey side of the river no long exists, except for monuments.





    Civil War? Gettysburg, about 2.5 to 3 hours from Philadelphia(depending upon routing and traffic conditions) is by far the most famous and militarily significant Civil War battle site in Pennsylvania. Three other Pennsylvania cities not far from Gettysburg also saw action from Confederate raids: Hanover, Carlisle and Chambersburg.





    The timing of your visit is very good as the weather should be agreeable, you may pick up some early autumn foliage toward the end of your trip and, throughout the region, it will be harvest time for many fruits and vegetables.




    On 1st day here, I%26#39;d recommend taking the Hop On Hop Off tour (www.phillytours.com) to get your bearings, then relax the rest of the day with a nice meal to adjust to the time shift.





    As previous poster said, the business/historical district is generally safe, but I wouldn%26#39;t go into dark unlit alleys..





    You should be able to hit the %26#39;MAIN%26#39; Philly historical and cultural sights in 3-4 days at a nice pace, so for the other 5 I would also recommend:





    1 day Amish Tour (the web site above should have one).





    One day drive to either Ocean or Atlantic City NJ (some things will be closed past peak season but most will be open.





    Take the ferry across to the Camden Aquarium and the Battleship NJ





    Go to a Phillies game. Easy to get to via Subway





    The art museum! On Sunday%26#39;s it pay as you wish day, and the kids can do the %26#39;rocky%26#39; run up the steps.





    1-2 day side trip to Baltimore Inner Harbor (1 is fine if you start early)





    I love Washington too, but allow 2-3 days for that if ya really want to make it worth the drive.





    As for the Civil/Rev war sights, while Gettysburg is the best it is also the farthest, closer is Brandywine (civil) and Washington%26#39;s Crossing (Rev).





    Day trip to Hershey Park. There%26#39;s something to be said about an amusement park that smells like chocolate. Base this one on weather and have the hotel concierge check the hours for the days you might go.





    ---





    One note about food. With Kids traveling who may be fussy, I recommend checking out Chinatown and the Reading Terminal Market (which must be seen anyway) for decent and reasonably priced food.




    I think that in the list of excellent suggestions, Loonbeam meant to say that Brandywine is a Revolutionary War battle site, not a Civil War one. To my knowledge, there really are no Civil War battle sites in the immediate Philadelphia area. There were, however, two places relatively nearby where Confederate prisoners of war were held.





    Fort Mifflin, which I mentioned previously, was the site of a Revolutionary War battle and, during the Civil War, held some Confederate prisoners. The most notable Union prisoner of war site is Fort Delaware on Pea Patch island near the top of Delaware Bay. It is about an hour%26#39;s drive south of Philadelphia. Fort Delaware held thousands of Confederate prisoners (and some British blockade runners) during the Civil War under poor conditions that earned it the title: Andersonville of the North (Andersonville being a notorious Confederate prison for Union army prisoners). It makes for an interesting visit, is accessible only via a 10-minute ferry ride (small ferry), but I am not sure that I would do it were I coming from abroad with limited time here.





    By contrast, all of the Civil War battlefield sites like Gettysburg, are relatively far from Philadelphia (about the same distance as between Philadelphia and Washington, DC). Doing any of them on a day trip would mean 5 to 6 hours of driving, plus the time spent visiting the battle sites. It can be done if you leave early in the morning, but likely would be tiring.




    Honestly, I thought Brandywine WAS civil, I sit corrected. I%26#39;ve never actually made it onto the site, something always seems to come up!





    Also, to my list above, add the Zoo!




    Local experts probably know more about this than I do...but it%26#39;s on my list of future things to do to try one of the canoe trips on the Brandywine. Here%26#39;s the link to the site with information:





    http://www.wildernesscanoetrips.com/trips.dws





    and it might be a fun active thing to do in the midst of all the museum tours. Maybe someone will post with more details and opinions about this!




    I would add the University of Pennsylvania%26#39;s Archaeology and Anthropology Museum. The older boys will probably like it and the little one will love the mummies. As much as I love the Art Museum, it%26#39;s massive and I probably wouldn%26#39;t take kids unless they are in to art. If not, the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts is another great art museum, but much smaller and more manageable with children. My boys also love the Academy of Natural Sciences. Reading Terminal Market and the Italian Market are both interesting. And if tired of all the site seeing, Dave and Buster%26#39;s is a massive arcade that the boys will enjoy.





    I would also advise against New York, unless there%26#39;s something specific there you want to see. All of their usual tourist attractions are quite spread out and couldn%26#39;t be done in a day or two. You may want to consider visiting the Statue of Liberty and the Ellis Island Museum. I think both can be accessed without actually going into New York. And DC has way to much to cover in a day or two. However, day trips to the Jersey shore and Baltimore are definitely doable.




    I would try to add DC into your schedule. There is a ton to see down there, but if you plan well, it is well worth the drive and your time (more so than NY, in my humble opinion.) Inner Harbor in Baltimore is also a great side trip as well. Let us know if you need additional information, I%26#39;m fairly well-versed with both cities and happy to help. Also, the DC forum is very active and a great source of information should you decide to try and plan a trip there. Good luck!





    Suzanne




    Hi, thanks for all the advise and apologies for the delay in replying to them.



    It was definitely worth asking your help.



    Its now Washington DC instead of NY. We,re going to travel by AmTrak, leave early and return about 9pm. That will be wednesdayand we,ll hire a car for saturday thro, to tuesday.



    Hershey Park is somewhere that is just not publicised over here but after visiting the website its a must do for the kids, that,ll be an early start on sunday and its their last weekend of the season.



    We,ll also fit in a visit to Camden and try for Atlantic City, so taking into account all that is in Philadelphia I think we,ll have a fairly full and interesting time.



    Once again thanks for the help its been much appreciated.



    Kevin.






    Skip Atlantic City!!!!



    Not sure why everyone says to skip NYC-- you are here 10 days--even if you just took an early train ( use Septa/NJ transit to save $) you could visit the Natural History Museum and check out Central park- museum is right on park. NYC feels nothing like London-the kids will love it.



    You have plenty of time in PA to make these 2 side trips. The Liberty Bell visit takes no time. Aquarium is just alright.



    I live here- not trying to bash Philadelphia.